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So this is a company with a pretty ui that is advocating the same thing Kirk Sorensen has been advocating for a few years now.

I know every time this molten salt vs light water reactor debate comes up, people much smarter than I talk about how the salt is corrosive and there are currently no viable solutions to deal with this. Is there anyone out there smarter than I that can explain whether this company is doing anything different, or if it is just sexy and VC backed?


They say the modified Hastelloy-N from the Oak Ridge experiment is good enough, though I suppose people who disagreed with that claim when it was presented by previous MSR advocates would still disagree now. They do also mention in their white paper, though, that it may eventually be possible to replace some of the Hastelloy-N with ceramic composites, which might be better still.


The zirconium hydride moderator is a genuine innovation, allowing much higher core power density than LFTR, and higher conversion ratios without HEU (assuming their modeling is correct). But like LFTR, you've got loose FPs all over the place and it's hard to see that being acceptable in anything like the current culture. Meanwhile, it's hard to see any benefit from MSR.

Edit: There will likely be all sorts of materials issues. None of them damning. I'd worry more about FPs, tritium fluoride, etc. than the salt itself.


Why would the fission products be "all over the place?" They're contained in the reactor core, just like any other reactor.


Nope. Gaseous FPs are continuously removed and stored somewhere. Of course they require cooling while being stored. Any mishap releasing even a tiny fraction of them would of course be harmless, but in the present culture would result in a global panic.

Other FPs in the salt are circulated out of the core and through a heat exchanger. Some ongoing actinide fission there too. Tiny defects in heat exchangers handling plain water currently cause reactors worth billions to be abandoned (e.g. SONGS).

Some FPs will plate out and you'll need to replace plumbing periodically. That has to be done by robots because the pipes will be ultra-hot and deadly within minutes to anyone nearby.

For what benefit? You improve the fuel cycle by a factor of 50. But the fuel cycle is < 10% of the costs and material flows of nuclear plant. So yes, online FP separation is something a mature fission-based civilization would have. But it is not clear how it helps us, other than to provide a focal point for a new culture to form (which may be a substantial if illegitimate benefit, admittedly).


Well ok that's true. On the other hand, removing fission products means you have a lot less decay heat to deal with upon reactor shutdown. Dump the fuel to a tank without moderators and walk away.

ThorCon has an interesting approach for dealing with plating and so on: their design has reactor cores that can be easily swapped out. When one's ready for maintenance they just cart it away, let it cool for several years, then deal with it.

http://thorconpower.com


Wild guess on "FP": fission product?


Yep. (Sorry, I was on mobile earlier)


There are certainly solutions to deal with it by designing for leaks as an expected maintenance problem, though preventing them would obviously be preferable. There are numerous operating molten salt reactors around the world, so I guess it depends what you mean by viable: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breeder_reactor#Breeder_reactor...


Note that this is note exactly the same thing, Sorensen has been advocating a Thorium fuel cycle, these folks seem to be advocating a Uranium fuel cycle.


I can't even tell if this is being spun as a positive or a negative. That is a radical change and if anything it seems like a low number of people to take the severance.

Whether the new policy will work out in the long term remains to be seen. I believe I read that Google tried a flat hierarchy for a few months and found that it did not work quite how they wanted.

Also, what will Tony Hsieh be doing in the new managerless structure?


Google did indeed try it[0].

"In 2002 they experimented with a completely flat organization, eliminating engineering managers in an effort to break down barriers to rapid idea development and to replicate the collegial environment they’d enjoyed in graduate school. That experiment lasted only a few months: They relented when too many people went directly to Page with questions about expense reports, interpersonal conflicts, and other nitty-gritty issues."

[0] https://hbr.org/2013/12/how-google-sold-its-engineers-on-man...


>I believe I read that Google tried a flat hierarchy for a few months and found that it did not work quite how they wanted.

Once you grow beyond a certain size, you have to have people who function as communication hubs to deal with the n^2 connections between employees. The hubs end up consolidating power, and then you have management. There are probably ways to limit this, rotating managerial duties and such, but it's much harder than just adopting a hierarchical structure.


> Also, what will Tony Hsieh be doing in the new managerless structure?

Writing more 5,000 word emails?


I thought golden handcuffs were typically referring to vesting options in a company.

I know I have friends that don't want to resign themselves to a life of programming/software engineering/whatever you want to call it because they see a ceiling to their compensation, or career path. Theres only so many numbers they can tack on to your title before it becomes meaningless.


I go back and forth on this. There's always a ceiling. For a doctor, banker, corporate lawyer, or salesperson, the ceiling is some multiple higher. But are they better jobs? An MD would require many years of study first, a law degree would burn $100k of your net worth and likely leave you underemployed, you're probably not cut out for sales, and so on.

You really only escape the ceiling going into business for yourself. And there probably has never been a time where it's easier to go into business than the last decade, because of the relatively low cost and high reward of developing software. Maybe that's why programmers are often restless, because the path to wealth seems close at hand (even when it's much harder than it seems, and requires many more skills than just programming).


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