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There's also another animal/dog documentary that I've watched recently that puts a finer point on this realization. The secret to survival and evolution is cooperation. For instance, not all dogs evolved the same way in this documentary. Some were more nuturing, some were more problem solving. For the focus of the documentary the challenge was to match the dog with a human that had a need they could address.

I think somewhat egotistically humans underappreciate how we have also been goaded by our "pets" into our own evolutionary journey. Most of the subjects of that documentary would not be alive if it were not for those dogs.


I'm not sure this is really true anymore and it ignores the reality on the ground of "cheap areas". Often times cheap areas are underserved in a way that once you require or depend on a service that is baked into other higher cost of living areas your life becomes much more expensive than if you'd simply lived in a high cost of living area. There are many examples of this but hospitals in rural areas are one of my favorite examples. There used to be many of these but many people didn't realize they were all (or mostly) subsidized capital ventures. Many of them are closing now that the subsidy has ended. So, is that county land cheap? Yes, but when you have an incident where time matters your likelihood of being cooked goes up precipitously.


Ditto water infrastructure - failures and lack of ability to maintain/upgrade.


Food deserts too, i was surprised to learn.


> This feels really premature. The announcement was a week ago. The “this model is too powerful for the general public” sounds like marketing to me.

Anthropic was born out of the idea that they feel paternity over humanity. They believe by limiting access they are performing a necessary pillar of security in multiple facets.

I think it's up to the public, and articles like this are part of the public's voice, whether this belief is serious or not and secondarily whether it's okay to even posture this kind of belief since it inherently results in marginalizing the many and rewards an already very successful few.


I plugged this question into Claude and told it to limit me to 10:

1. Cancer patient banned mid-paymenthttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46675740

2. Hobbyist coder, VPN trigger, forms into void for 10+ monthshttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47286867

3. "Reinstated" but still locked out — two systems out of synchttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46007408

4. Banned for testing vision APIhttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39988137

5. Banned on first ever prompt ("What do you know about Hacker News?")https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39698788

6. Mass banning wave, some banned before first usehttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39672765

7. Entire company banned without warning, thousands of users strandedhttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42210199

8. Forced new account (no email change support) → immediately bannedhttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46339741

9. Banned for scaffolding a Claude.md file, support email never arriveshttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46723384

10. $81 billing overcharge, human promised, month of silencehttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47693679


Would've been nice if you'd read them as not a single one of them even mentions Agent SDK or claude -p usage, the topic of this thread.


I did read them but I interpreted the topic of this thread to be Anthropic's vague approach to compliance enforcement not specifically how claude -p is used and interpreted by Anthropic.


Both of these camera systems also usually come with a kangaroo civil court of sorts. Last time I looked at red light camera distribution in Texas it was also fairly obvious that they were only installing them in poorer areas.

These systems were largely disliked bipartisanly because of those factors.


They install them where the data show that people are running red lights.


Where the data shows people are getting caught running red lights.

Which isn't necessarily where the most incidents are.


If they only installed them based on collision/injury data, and that data identified mostly poor areas, you would be ok with it? Because this is what the data finds over and over. The people most harmed by red light running are the poor people who live in these neighborhoods.


Maybe!

I might question the benefits of making the poor area even poorer via fines they likely can't afford. I might wonder if there are confounding factors like poorly maintained roads and vehicles at play. I might wonder if the yellow lights have the same timing as in the suburbs.


Are the small fines for red light violations costlier, or the impact on health and life from the collisions red light running inevitably causes? I think letting poor areas be high traffic injury areas through deliberate neglect is even costlier to the poor who live there than red light fines.


I might question why you are so opposed to interventions that save the lives of people in poorer neighborhoods (disproportionately not owners of cars).


I question the premise that it will.


> Because this is what the data finds over and over.

So link it.


In my experience it's the rich areas chock full o' Karens that get the latest and greatest in jackbootery because they have all the money for the new hotness, no real problems to divert their attention and almost nobody who's ever been on the business end of government enforcement so they don't see any real problem with dispensing it at the drop of a hat.


Any dataset involving police actions will show high concentrations in poor areas because that's where police patrol the most and where they're most likely to crack down on behaviors that might be allowed to slide elsewhere (in part due to the racial demographics of those areas).


Usually allocation decisions are related to actual car/pedestrian fatality/injury counts + trial placements and measurements. Either way, wouldn't you be in favor of measures that remove police from overpoliced poor neighborhoods in favor of a technology focusing on traffic safety enforcement?


They shorten the yellow light interval to gain more revenue. It's an irresistible corruption when working on a revenue share.


You're taking something that has happened at least once and extrapolating it to every situation; this isn't accurate.


Show me one big city PD that isn't corrupt enough that this is just a minor corruption snack to them.


This is a bizarre comment. What level of absence of evidence would you accept to prove "not corrupt enough?" The "corruption snack" language strongly suggests you aren't really interested in changing your mind even if such evidence could be provided.


If you know of one I would gladly hold it up as a shining example and a template for others to follow. And yet...


It's also bizarre because light timings are set by DOTs, not police departments...

Do you think your local DOT is corrupt? I think mine is inept, but not corrupt.


welcome to hn


The police aren't removed, they're still there, just with more technology, more information, and more power now.


Aren’t red light cameras unenforceable in Texas?


They are potentially now, but when I lived there (~a decade ago) they were not and this was the battle we were fighting as neighborhoods and communities. At the height of it they couldn't take your drivers license but the company could file an injunction preventing you from renewing your drivers license over civil penalties.


> Its not your responsibility to ensure transitive importers of your library are on the latest version of Go. Don't make that decision for them.

and yet the Go maintainers did not include or build (in the future) a tool that determined the minimum version of Go that your application can be compiled in.


I mean, kind of, but they're able to be cached easily and inexpensively in a way that kind of defies the intrinsic values behind steganography.


Not cache-able if no one has seen them before.


I'd like to adjust your metaphor.

As a woodworker who owns both hand tools and power tools, I don't feel bad when I spend most of a project cutting the repetitive pieces with a motorized saw. I also don't feel like a snob because I prefer certain hand saws under certain circumstances.

To me, the metaphor is pretty solid for coding LLMs. A motorized saw, to anyone that's used them, takes away all the pain and complexity of using a hand saw for the same work, but it also introduces its own complexity and pain. There's also things that stay consistent: I still find myself transferring or measuring certain ways, I still have to brace the piece, I still need jigs (albeit different ones).


> I have not really found anything that shakes these people down to their core. Any argument or example is handwaved away by claims that better use of agents or advanced models will solve these “temporary” setbacks. How do you crack them? Especially upper management.

You let them play out. Shift-left was similar to this and ultimately ended in part disaster, part non-accomplishment, and part success. Some percentage of the industry walked away from shift-left greatly more capable than the rest, a larger chunk left the industry entirely, and some people never changed. The same thing will likely happen here. We'll learn a lot of lessons, the Overton window will shift, the world will be different, and it will move on. We'll have new problems and topics to deal with as AI and how to use it shifts away from being a primary topic.


Shift left?

Edit: I've googled it and I can't find anything relevant. I've been working in software for 20+ years and read a myriad things and it's the first time I hear about it...



"Shift-left" was a general term that occurred in the systems engineering / devops space – I'm not surprised to see it used in a security context now. More or less, about a decade ago most systems engineers were recruited into the industry without any application software engineering skills and that became a drag on organizations trying to scale. It was about moving testing, devops, security, etc into the software engineering role and attempting to consolidate systems engineering into SWE roles. It was a part of the larger "devops movement".


I've heard a ton of times about "designing/planning for quality and security from the start", I guess it can't hurt to also have a buzzword for it.


Shift-left was a disaster? A large number of my day to day problems at work could be described as failing to shift-left even in the face of overwhelmingly obvious benefits


Caveat that Kagi gates that repo such that it doesn't allow self-submissions so you're only going to see a chunk of websites that other people have submitted that also know about the Kagi repo.


But per the instructions, it seems like that if one wants to add your own website, then one needs to add 2 other small websites (that are not on the list already)...so technically it does open things up to those who are not aware of the repo...assuming their site is pulled in when someone wants to add their own website. Obviously this scale is slow...but i think that's kinda the point, eh? Nevertheless, for every 1 person wanting to add their stuff, 2 others would technically get added i guess.

See: https://github.com/kagisearch/smallweb?tab=readme-ov-file#%E...


Yeah I’ve added my own site along with 3 others and the PR was merged in an hour.

Honestly the hard part was that a lot of the sites I wanted to submit were already there!


Thanks for the info!

If anyone wants to join up and add our sites together, here's mine:

https://yesteryearforever.xyz/


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