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From your other posts you seem to have a very good sense of social responsibility, so I'm surprised at this comment.

Multiple identities are incredibly important to anybody in a minority that is threatened by their local mainstream culture. Black people in may areas (even today), gay or lesbian people in many parts of the world, and trans people just about anywhere[1] are some obvious examples. There are numerous others, which bring varying amounts of risk if exposed publicly.

These people are often forced to put on a facade when in public, to avoid the risk of being fired (only a few of these are protected classes), beaten, or even killed. The internet has created a space where these people can be themselves... as long as it doesn't connect back to their real name and identity.

Yes, leaving a job is a good way to avoid a bigoted manager, but that isn't an option for everybody. Your boss isn't the only threat, either: it wasn't that long ago that being openly gay could get you lynched in some areas.

This comes down to the basic concept of privacy. I recommend Dan Geer's definition[2] of privacy in light of modern technology:

    Privacy used to be proportional to that which it is impossible to observe
    or that which can be observed but not identified.  No more -- what is today
    observable and identifiable kills both privacy as impossible-to-observe and
    privacy as impossible-to-identify, so what might be an alternative?  If you
    are an optimist or an apparatchik, then your answer will tend toward rules
    of data procedure administered by a government you trust or control.  If you
    are a pessimist or a hacker/maker, then your answer will tend towards the
    operational, and your definition of a state of privacy will be my definition:
    the effective capacity to misrepresent yourself.
Real name policies are, de facto isomorphic with banning privacy. It is saying that people must never experiment with how they present themselves to the world. It's saying that anybody who fears repercussions if they act like themselves must stay in the closet.

It is nice to believe that we are past these problems. I'm often thankful that I have the privilege to live in California, which has been very accepting of diversity. Unfortunately, we haven't solved all of these problems, and they are not going to be solved in the near future. Sometimes an optimist or apparatchick insists that forcing everybody into the public so nothing is hidden and privacy no longer exists will somehow eradicate bigotry and discrimination. Well, bigots are often proud of their beliefs, and most people don't consider the consequences anyway; these problems are not solved by magical thinking.

[1] http://www.newrepublic.com/article/politics/magazine/90519/t...

[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nT-TGvYOBpI#t=2415



Let's call it temporary lapse of judgement... I guess I've confused the issue with my hate for bigotry. I just woke up and find the thing completely obvious - thanks to, in big part, your comment, and thanks to regaining the ability to generate examples in my head that I must have lost yesterday :(.

I guess part of my confusion stemmed from the fact that multiple identities on Facebook are hard and risky, so they become a pretty bad idea. Facebook seriously sucks for multiple identities, real-name-policy or not. You really need different accounts. Otherwise you need to get obsessive-compulsive about every privacy setting out there - who do you share with, who can view it, who can tag/mention you, etc. And then you lose anyway because one of your friends copy-pasted your post to a wider circle, or uploaded a photo with you and someone from the "wrong" side of your social graph recognizes it, etc. It's pretty much OPSEC 101 - the different lives you're having shouldn't mix at all because someone, somewhen, will screw up.

Also, you'd be surprised how broken the post range limits still are, if you know what to do (Facebook has significantly improved that over the last year or two, but there are still bugs).

> It is nice to believe that we are past these problems. I'm often thankful that I have the privilege to live in California, which has been very accepting of diversity. Unfortunately, we haven't solved all of these problems, and they are not going to be solved in the near future.

Yeah, this is what bit me.

> Sometimes an optimist or apparatchick insists that forcing everybody into the public so nothing is hidden and privacy no longer exists will somehow eradicate bigotry and discrimination. Well, bigots are often proud of their beliefs, and most people don't consider the consequences anyway; these problems are not solved by magical thinking.

I sometimes consider if what apparatchicks propose isn't in fact our best option. I usually refer to it as "privacy or progress, pick one", when pointing out the social and scientific benefits of the data we forgo when insisting on fighting every form of mass monitoring. Note, I'm only entertaining this thought - I'm not convinced yet either way, but the way the privacy discussion is today, the issue is terribly one-sided.

You mentioned bigots being proud of being bigots. This seriously worries me. I think the society could handle going (back?) to zero-privacy mode, but the more I think of it and see people being proud of their ignorance, the more I fear it would end in civil wars over really stupid things.




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