Parent is being downvoted because most people on HN cannot fanthom how anyone can genuinely and legitimately not take the extreme opinion of "everything China does is evil", but the parent's opinion is more representative of many Hong Kong people' actual opinions, than HNers think.
That is: not saying China is evil, but also not denying that China is problematic, while focusing more on the practicality of the way the protesters do things.
You don't have to believe my word for it. Go look up Hong Kong related questions on https://Quora.com and read what Hong Kongers think. A whole new world will open for you.
The answers posted there are too detailed and too well-argumented to be simply propaganda by paid Beijing workers. Propagandists are paid by comment, so they are incentivized to write many short comments instead of long and elaborate ones.
The quora answers I've seen regarding this were all poorly written, despite being lengthy screeds. This is an attempt at imitation:
WHYYYYYYYY do the protesters think violence is the answer?
Chinese government not perfect but you have to remember how things were like in the 1950s. Maybe young generation does not appreciate what they have? Maybe HK culture wants to be special and needs to learn that that they are not on a separate level from the rest of China?
^ if this is what you call 'fascinating' and 'a whole new world' opening perspective I would question whether you are not a propagandist yourself.
You might be surprised what you wrote look perfect reasonable and make tons of sense to a great portion of native Chinese. Be aware that critical thinking and non-STEM lessons is quite lacking in China’s schools today. In fact what common Chinese will just see the chaos and they will just refuse to have any deeper conversation with you because disorder is just BAD, no argument. In addition, language barrier is also a thing + people in China aren’t that used to western style debate. Are they all defacto propagandist by your definition? I think it just need cultural influence and somehow raises awareness
That is: not saying China is evil, but also not denying that China is problematic, while focusing more on the practicality of the way the protesters do things.
You don't have to believe my word for it. Go look up Hong Kong related questions on https://Quora.com and read what Hong Kongers think. A whole new world will open for you.
The answers posted there are too detailed and too well-argumented to be simply propaganda by paid Beijing workers. Propagandists are paid by comment, so they are incentivized to write many short comments instead of long and elaborate ones.