We talk about Mosques shooting, women and girls wearing the hijab attacked/assaulted in the streets (being a woman in the streets after the sun is down always is a risk, if you're wearing anything Muslim-looking, you multiply that risk,), and a lot of aggression here.
The shah of Iran heavily suppressed Islam as well…and It led directly to the Islamic revolution. Suppression of normal political and religious expression leads to more extremists, not less.
When i talk about Islamophobia, I think about the time when my mom was run off the road by a couple of guys in a truck yelling slurs, or the woman who was stabbed walking home from our mosque, or the bulletholes in our mosque windows, or the weekly bomb/death threats.
You wield your ethnicity like a bludgeon to “win” these types of arguments but you are quite remote from the actual experience of others who look like you.
You understand that Egypt is a Muslim country and El Sisi is a Muslim, right? This is a discussion about what moderate Muslims must do in countries like Egypt and Bangladesh to keep their countries from ending up like Iran.
That comparison is ignorant. We’re not talking about Mitt Romney, okay? We’re talking about a hypothetical where polygamists overthrow the government of Utah, stone Mitt Romney to death, and threaten to do the same in Idaho. That’s the equivalent of what happened in Iran, what happened in Egypt recently, and the threat across the Muslim world.
The last time we faced a similar risk from Christianity, it resulted in a military occupation of Utah: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CF3UqUH6y-M&vl=en. If that was happening now, we’d be having a serious conversation about military responses to “political Christianity.” But it’s not.
> We’re talking about a hypothetical where polygamists overthrow the government of Utah, stone Mitt Romney to death, and threaten to do the same in Idaho.
I’m morbidly interested in hearing your rationalizations, if any, for the Jan 6th protests.
Christian psychos are already at the forefront of the government, its not the end, its barely even the beginning of their insanity. And this batch doesn't yet need to engage in militantism, because...the entire government apparatus is already there for doing their bidding, but that's hardly any reason to see they aren't escalating with their insanity. I mean, Israel itself has even more of religious extremism in their government and society than present day America.
All of that is also quite irrelevant to the fact that Iran wasn't attacking the USA or Israel, Israel and America attacked them unprovoked while making a pretense of negotiating peace deals with them. I hate religion and I hate theocracies, while these are shitty countries they haven't been shitty to me, only to their internal populace. Iran also isn't the country that "doesn't have" nukes and refuses to get their nuclear facilities inspected. There is only one country in the middle east that does. Iran is far more trustworthy in the nuclear department than Israel. Israel, if it hadn't already shown how much of a reprobate traitorous liar they already are, shows yet another iteration of their old colors to the new generation. The same Israel that did the USS Liberty and so on.
edit: Holy shit and to say nothing of the reports coming that soldiers are being told this is a Holy war for Armageddon. That's literal theocratic extremism right under our noses.
It’s not even remotely similar. We’re talking about countries where (almost) everyone is Muslim and Muslims control the political system, police, etc. Moderate Muslims who can’t reasonably be accused of “Islamophobia” understand that political Islam is a danger and often take extreme measures to keep it in check.
Projecting American racial politics onto other countries is an extremely bad (and bizarrely ethnocentric) way to try to understand how the world works.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45945758 - He dismisses someone who opposed a fascist dictatorship as being "antisocial" and says she was harming society by opposing said dictatorship. The most generous interpretation of that position is a tacit, rather than explicit, endorsement of fascism.
Democracies don’t arise from thin air. Every successful democracy arose from an authoritarian regime that developed the institutions of state and government. E.g. Taiwan: https://ketagalanmedia.com/2017/09/30/what-motivated-kmt-tai.... Over and over, the pattern that leads to success of an authoritarian regime that develops the country first, with democracy following when people are ready for it. Attempting to skip the authoritarian regime and jump state to democracy has usually been a failure. It results in corrupt and dysfunctional democracies, like in India or Bangladesh.
Developmental dictatorships are preferable to dysfunctional democracies, because the former at least has some hope of transitioning into a functioning democracy.
I was, but my dad was active in politics in a third world country, and worked in international development. Also, I still have family in Bangladesh so I can watch third-world people overthrowing their government again in real time on Facebook. My views on democracy and culture are directly borrowed from my dad’s crushing disillusionment with third world people and their attempts at running a democracy.
If I had to rely on my American K-12 education I’d be completely unprepared to understand what life is like for the majority of the world that wasn’t born on “socio-cultural third base.”
It is good proof the mods lie about moderation though. Regardless of what you think of this particular user, I’ve seen dang jump down even long time user’s throats for much less.
I’m on the naughty list because I pushed back on nonsense like he posts and also questioned dang’s moderating ability as a result. Blatant sexism and racism are perfectly fine here as long as it’s “polite”. Pushing back on people spouting it will get you a timeout and a lecture.
